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	<title>Comments on: Where Heaven Meets Hell - stunning new documentary</title>
	<link>http://christinawaters.com/2012/10/17/where-heaven-meets-hell-stunning-new-documentary/</link>
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		<title>by: Roger</title>
		<link>http://christinawaters.com/2012/10/17/where-heaven-meets-hell-stunning-new-documentary/#comment-38023</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry Christina, but the only "way" that Marx showed was the way to hell. 

His interpretation of the "problem" and its "solution" was a creature of a materialistic worldview which emanated from so-called "enlightenment" thinking, emslaved to a worldview addicted to "progress". 

A universalist worldview based on abstract concepts of "classes" in conflict, was and still is profoundly destructive of any organic traditions of A People, and how people really live as they are "thrown into" the world of a particular people in a particular place and time.  Being is always DAsein, rather than an academic abstraction. 

The Marxian heresy against real Peoples pervades currently fashionable academic discourses, and that's not benefitted real peoples one bit. Freeing up real peoples to be themselves unto and for themselves would utterly destroy supremacist materialist discourses which are the daily bread and butter of so-called "higher education" ... an enterprise which is itself a bigger part of the problem than any solution. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Christina, but the only &#8220;way&#8221; that Marx showed was the way to hell. </p>
<p>His interpretation of the &#8220;problem&#8221; and its &#8220;solution&#8221; was a creature of a materialistic worldview which emanated from so-called &#8220;enlightenment&#8221; thinking, emslaved to a worldview addicted to &#8220;progress&#8221;. </p>
<p>A universalist worldview based on abstract concepts of &#8220;classes&#8221; in conflict, was and still is profoundly destructive of any organic traditions of A People, and how people really live as they are &#8220;thrown into&#8221; the world of a particular people in a particular place and time.  Being is always DAsein, rather than an academic abstraction. </p>
<p>The Marxian heresy against real Peoples pervades currently fashionable academic discourses, and that&#8217;s not benefitted real peoples one bit. Freeing up real peoples to be themselves unto and for themselves would utterly destroy supremacist materialist discourses which are the daily bread and butter of so-called &#8220;higher education&#8221; &#8230; an enterprise which is itself a bigger part of the problem than any solution. </p>
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		<title>by: Christina Waters</title>
		<link>http://christinawaters.com/2012/10/17/where-heaven-meets-hell-stunning-new-documentary/#comment-38015</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:24:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The film explores the duplicity of the mine owners, but spend most of its time allowing the miners to voice their personal dreams and ambitions.

You bring up an excellent point however, re: "education" being all too often a revolving door in which the newly educated move up in the hierarchy, only to find the lowest rungs immediately filled up again with the nouveau exploited.

It is the system of exploitation itself that needs dismantling. Marx pointed the way. But between his theory and the opportunistic "practice" a huge chasm has formed that no one seems capable of eradicating.
Hobbes was right - the only thing that moves people to action is enlightened self-interest, i.e. what's in it for me?

Thanks for the comment.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The film explores the duplicity of the mine owners, but spend most of its time allowing the miners to voice their personal dreams and ambitions.</p>
<p>You bring up an excellent point however, re: &#8220;education&#8221; being all too often a revolving door in which the newly educated move up in the hierarchy, only to find the lowest rungs immediately filled up again with the nouveau exploited.</p>
<p>It is the system of exploitation itself that needs dismantling. Marx pointed the way. But between his theory and the opportunistic &#8220;practice&#8221; a huge chasm has formed that no one seems capable of eradicating.<br />
Hobbes was right - the only thing that moves people to action is enlightened self-interest, i.e. what&#8217;s in it for me?</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>C
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		<title>by: Roger</title>
		<link>http://christinawaters.com/2012/10/17/where-heaven-meets-hell-stunning-new-documentary/#comment-38013</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Oct 2012 20:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another well-off "artiste" playing anthropologist with a camera.  Did she mention the names of the bond holders and international bankers who financed the mining operations, and their "skim" which keeps livings so sparse for the miners?  Or was this just another video expiation of liberal guilt over being a beneficiary of this exploitation?

Those miners wanted an "education" you say?  Yes, so their positions would be filled by others, not them.  "Education" is merely training that changes the names of the exploited. The real problem is not addressed, or even mentioned by "education".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another well-off &#8220;artiste&#8221; playing anthropologist with a camera.  Did she mention the names of the bond holders and international bankers who financed the mining operations, and their &#8220;skim&#8221; which keeps livings so sparse for the miners?  Or was this just another video expiation of liberal guilt over being a beneficiary of this exploitation?</p>
<p>Those miners wanted an &#8220;education&#8221; you say?  Yes, so their positions would be filled by others, not them.  &#8220;Education&#8221; is merely training that changes the names of the exploited. The real problem is not addressed, or even mentioned by &#8220;education&#8221;.
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		<title>by: jim marshall</title>
		<link>http://christinawaters.com/2012/10/17/where-heaven-meets-hell-stunning-new-documentary/#comment-37971</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 13:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Having been fortunate to have seen a private viewing of the final cut last year, and then being among the NY Film Fest audience at Lincoln Center, this is an important film and our columnist Christina Waters' review is splendid! Here is a little window into how important films impact society, I was accompanied by a friend to the screening, and the next day she told her 10 year old daughter about where she went and the film she saw, as she was walking her daughter to the bus stop this morning, her 10 yr-old daughter is telling her 10 yr-old friend about sulfur miners somewhere in Java...........as insignificant that moment may seem, it is a vapor trail from this little rocket ship of a film maker! Important films don't just happen and appear, they are created by important film makers. An awesome and brilliant accomplishment, my heartiest congratulations!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been fortunate to have seen a private viewing of the final cut last year, and then being among the NY Film Fest audience at Lincoln Center, this is an important film and our columnist Christina Waters&#8217; review is splendid! Here is a little window into how important films impact society, I was accompanied by a friend to the screening, and the next day she told her 10 year old daughter about where she went and the film she saw, as she was walking her daughter to the bus stop this morning, her 10 yr-old daughter is telling her 10 yr-old friend about sulfur miners somewhere in Java&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..as insignificant that moment may seem, it is a vapor trail from this little rocket ship of a film maker! Important films don&#8217;t just happen and appear, they are created by important film makers. An awesome and brilliant accomplishment, my heartiest congratulations!
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